Oct. 22 – Two of the issues surrounding the generation of this particular “naughty” cultural series expose two of the great divides between China and India. While last week’s accompanying piece about the Indian naughty things was published complete with You Tube clips to visually demonstrate errant Indian behavior (from Formula One cars racing along Mumbai’s bridges to rampaging elephants), our China-based readership at 2point6billion.com cannot access these. YouTube is blocked from view in China by the Chinese censors. Now we’ve heard the phrase that India can be an assault on the senses, but we didn’t expect the Chinese government to take it so much to heart and ban online visual social commentary in their own country to make the point. So this entry is more literal than visual to cater for our Chinese readers. Secondly is the issue over sex. With a title for an article with the word “naughty” in it, the subject is bound to crop up, but let’s not be too bashful about it. Both China and India have populations well in excess of 1 billion people, and both nations are therefore apparently rather good at deploying its eventual biologically stimulating results. However, there the similarities end. India remains a rather conservative society, whereas China has, as always, a rather more pragmatic, and some would say, tolerant view – as long as it doesn’t necessarily directly impact upon them. So that said, let us begin.
Smashing up a Ferrari at 210 kph in Hainan
The Ferrari owners club of Hong Kong organized a private road race in China’s Hainan Island and arranged to have the police cordon off a large stretch of the local six lane highway to race. One of the owners had his car serviced by Italian Motors of Hong Kong for HK$56,841 just the week before in preparation for the event. When touching about 210 kph between the Zhuhai and Yangjiang toll highway however, he noticed a severe vibration on the left rear of his car. The tire blew; the car spun around, and smashed itself to bits along the central reservation. Miraculously, the driver was unhurt apart from a few cuts and bruises. The Hong Kong servicer, who it transpired was not officially part of Ferrari – was sued for more than U$630,000 in damages for the loss of the car. The cause of the accident, forensic investigators found, was the fact the tire was over eleven years old and the service had failed to spot it as a risk. The matter was eventually settled out of court; however we believe that thus far, it is the only instance of a Ferrari being totaled in China. It couldn’t happen in India however. The roads are too crap to attempt driving at that speed.
Football punch ups with professional English club sides
China’s Olympic soccer team toured England just before the Olympics to get some much needed experience. Playing a “friendly” against London hosts Queens Park Rangers, a second tier professional team; it all went horribly wrong when Chinese player Gao Lin hit a player from the Championship club. “I’ve never seen anything like it in my life,” a witness told the Ealing Gazette. “There were punches, kung-fu kicks and all sorts. It was absolute mayhem.” Chinese Under-21 international Zheng Tao had to be taken to hospital with a suspected broken jaw, while Xi’an Chanba defender Zheng was unconscious for five minutes after the fighting. The referee, Dermot Gallagher was forced to abandon the game, and the police had to be called in to stop the fighting. Seven members of China’s Olympic team were sent home after the incident. The Chinese TV report is here. According to the current FIFA rankings, China is the 102nd best team in the world, just below international soccer giants the Cape Verde Islands, while India rank 138th just two places below Equatorial Guinea.
Ladyboys
India does have a specific class of transgender in its population. Known as Hijra’s, they number almost a million, and have their own specific caste, a throwback to the days where like the eunuch’s in China’s Forbidden City, Hijra’s played a large role in the affairs of the Indian Mughal court. However, China has all but lost, banned or medically “cured” the issue over eunuchs, homosexuality, transvestitism and hermaphrodites. The British, when occupying India, just looked on with stupefaction and immediately branded them all as immoral outcasts. However, where India and even ultra conservative Pakistan are now taking steps to rehabilitate and recognize them, Hijras are now largely reduced to making a living through invading weddings and threatening to expose themselves at traffic lights to taxi drivers. China, by comparison, now has a thriving, and not so underground bar scene in many of its cities where ladyboys – often sexual professionals from Thailand and the Philippines – openly tout for customers, especially in Western-patronized low end bars. The chance of bumping into a ladyboy in Wanchai, Hong Kong, or on Tong Ren Lu in Shanghai is far higher than it is in more conservative India, even though they have caste recognition in the latter. Whether many of China’s expats can tell the difference after a night on the town is a matter of some debate.
Sex toys
As I mentioned earlier, when it comes to sex, there’s a Chinese pragmatism set against Indian conservatism that begins to become apparent. When it comes to sex toys, these sorts of devices are (very) discreetly available in India, but in China, the business of legitimate sexual openness has gone mainstream. Shops are now to be found on many main Chinese streets advertising themselves as “Sex Shop,” staffed by white coated, professional looking assistants with shelves stocked full of a huge variety of latex, rubber and other pertinent objects to enhance or act as a substitute in the game of love. In India, such a shop would incite a riot and be burnt down within a week. In China, I wonder if this is not a little to do with China’s sad sexual background; a lack of communication between the Communist educated parents and younger Chinese over matters of sex can be strained in ways which they appear not to be in India. Additionally, China now maintains a massive imbalance in terms of male to female ratios. Female infanticide, while now well on the wane, exacted a huge toll on Chinese birth statistics in the 1970s and 1980s, and there is now an imbalance of about 10 percent between sexually fertile available men and women. Purchasing such products from a Chinese store may be a way out of sexual frustration, if not physical love, for many. Not surprisingly, China has also cornered the global sex toy market. A click on Google will reveal that many of the manufacturers are Chinese. In India such objects are very much taboo.
Extinct species
A lesson India very much needs to learn from China is what happens when a country massively develops in the space of a couple of decades. China has achieved impressive goals, mostly measured in terms of finance, but the ecological damage wrought as a result has been dramatic with consequences that are still to be fully understood and in some cases even noticed. It is in India’s interest to follow China’s path with caution as regards the future. China possesses some 393 living mammal species against India’s 316, and although no-one intends species to become extinct, it is a huge worry when active, coordinated efforts appear to be utterly lacking when faced with questions concerning economic development measured against ecological damage. Consider then, the fate of the Yangtze River Dolphin. In a little trumpeted milestone, China produced as a direct result of a considerable lack of environmental awareness, the first mammal to become extinct in 50 years, worldwide. That’s not just naughty, that’s outrageous. With China’s Giant Paddle Fish, about to leave us, and according to the World Wildlife Fund some 20 percent of China’s total species population being marked as endangered, China needs to get its skates on fast to prevent it losing Tigers, Pandas and two in every ten of every living variety of creature forever. India needn’t be smug, despite it having a far larger area of total land set aside as totally protected reserves – 1.4 percent as opposed to China’s miserly 0.01 per cent – its ratio of endangered species is far higher – an estimated 28 percent of all of India’s creatures are headed for destruction. Irresponsible would be a descriptive word.
Predatory expatriates
Maybe it’s due to the lack of sophistication of most Chinese, newly eyes widened to the global world, but the quality and behavior of many expatriates they have permitted to enter China are one of the global expatriate communities’ dirty little secrets. The open mat thrown down, and the bars offering cheap drinks, coupled with impressionable young Chinese eager to make new foreign friends have ushered in a sordid era of poor expatriate male behavior across China. While a minority, it is however true to say that their vocal, demanding, and aggressive nature more than makes up for their lack of numbers. If you want to see expatriate white trash in action, head for an expatriate bar in Shanghai on a Friday night. A excess of cheap beer, a lack of social confrontation by the Chinese and a desire to keep foreigners happy at all costs while they keep spending money has resulted in a shameful descent of expatriate life into a cesspool of aggressive, surly, and pre-determined views of white supremacy that would put any reasonable person to shame. Conquests of local girls are not to do with superiority of physical endowments or possession of a green card; it’s to do with exploitation. While China needs to sort out its immigration policies and dump the expatriate passengers that are turning areas of Shanghai and similar cities social scenes into whites-only clubbing ghettos, such behavior in India would not be tolerated. Indeed, India has tightened its visa issuing policies to all foreigners in the last few weeks to prevent it. China would do well to follow that example.
Decadent in-flight treats
A good reason to fly Dragonair internally in China is the free Häagen-Dazs ice-cream they serve an hour before landing. That in itself, let alone the superior service, leg room and attractive, bilingual trolley dollies, is a justification for spending a few hundred RMB more. Air China has a lot of work to catch up on. And although Air India remain in similar straits (governments around the world are incompetent airline operators), India’s private airlines are catching up – Jet Airways especially. But for in-flight luxury in China, Dragonair takes the naughty prize for seducing us to fly with offerings of ice-cream.
Cuisine sensibilities
OK, so China may have been cut off from the rest of the world due to rampant communism, civil wars and World War II, but India hasn’t exactly changed its geographical or historical position while this was going on. China and India have been cross culturally fertilizing neighbors for thousands of years. So while airlines like Dragonair can do a good job at customer service, naughty cuisine sensibility in behavior means not having any vegetarian meals aboard an Air China direct flight between Delhi and Beijing. With an overnight, seven hour flight, at least 70 percent of the passengers went without food, possibly in breach of international air travel regulations. The vegetarian passengers were essentially offered culturally inedible food on an international long haul flight. That’s a classic example of state ownership and poor management of a national airline, and of crass cultural insensitivity, not to mention a complete lack of understanding of the cultural market being served. Naughty? Add incompetent, stupid, and when describing the Indian passengers, apoplectic.
Collapsing buildings
Maybe it’s an inevitable byproduct of the massive construction and development that China has been going through the past two decades that has seen them have a fair share of projects go disastrously wrong. Possibly India’s turn awaits as infrastructure projects kick in and developers build ever higher buildings at less cost and in less than sensible time frames to meet demands. However, China now seems to be adding collapsing buildings to its long list of exports. From one of many disasters on the Chinese mainland, Chinese engineers recently managed to build a massive tower in India that disintegrated, killing 40 workers. Naughty? I have a feeling that Indian construction crews will be doing their best to win this title back in due course. However, the Chinese don’t just make them collapse; this apartment block in Shanghai just totally fell over, still intact. Now that takes skill.
Chili battles: Vindaloo vs. Sichuan hotpot
India’s taste for fiery cuisine is legendary, and the hotter the better, especially in the northern regions of Rajasthan and Jaipur. Vindaloo is not actually an especially endemic Indian dish, containing some elements unique to the Portuguese cuisine, but globally it is recognized as being one of the hotter Indian dishes. In contrasting then a Mutton Vindaloo with a Sichuan Hotpot, which one is the hottest? Curiously, the main ingredient in both – the chili pepper – is not a native to either country. The essential chili ingredient is actually a vegetable from the plant of the genus Capsicum, which are members of the nightshade family, Solanaceae. Botanically speaking, the peppers we use are actually a type of berry. Chili’s originate from South America and spread to Asia, probably through Portuguese merchants in the late 15th century. Until that time, neither India or China had chili peppers, and their inclusion into their cuisine or as part of their diet was unknown. What a difference an imported plant can make to a nations entire culture. However, to cut a long story short, who takes the “naughty” prize of the hottest cuisine, India’s hottest dish, a good Vindaloo curry, or the legendary Sichuan hot pot? In the esteemed interests of both culinary science, and of satisfying 2point6billion.com reader’s insatiable curiosity, I ordered and sampled both. There is indeed a clear winner, and the Chinese take it with the Sichuan hotpot. I very nearly exploded.
Chris Devonshire-Ellis is the founding partner of Dezan Shira & Associates and lived in China for 21 years. He is now based in Mumbai.
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Just brilliant. Give this man the blog writer of the year award for these Chindia series of articles. Truly awesome, inspired, and very funny!
The bit about white trash is nonsense. After living in Shanghai for 3.5 years I have not seen any “whites only nightlife areas”. In any bar or club in Shanghai you will see a mix of races, including Chinese.
Regarding the sex shops, it is now mainstream to the point that the white coats are being ditched and sales people in these places are wearing normal casual clothes. In Beijing anyway. And the product range is widening – from mainly dildos to costumes, BDSM items
such as whips etc. Some of these shops are also going upmarket, with nice decoration and well thought out layout.
I thought there were a few Yangtze River Dolphin left?
Thank you Sunil, that’s very kind of you. To tell you the truth it was hard coming up with a list of China Naughty Things that aren’t politicised such as Tibet, Uyghurs or other social ills. I wanted to miss those out as they are well known, and get to more basic levels of social behavior. In which case, it appears to me the Indians are actually rather more mischievous than the Chinese.
On another subject, concerning the “Extinct Species” entry, the Guardian have just done a piece on “Last Chance To See” animals, which includes the Yangtze River Dolphin, and a very good photo of one. However that creature is almost certainly no longer with us. It, plus another nine globally endangered/extinct species and their photos, are here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/gallery/2009/oct/21/decade-lost-species
@Steve. You say “The bit about white trash is nonsense. After living in Shanghai for 3.5 years I have not seen any “whites only nightlife areas”. In any bar or club in Shanghai you will see a mix of races, including Chinese.”
I agree, but the behavior I have seen in Shanghai of white expatriate men, fuelled by cheap beer and a Chinese culture that wants to keep them spending money on drinks at almost all cost is in stark contrast to the more demure drinking scene that is on offer in say Mumbai. Chris is correct in suggesting there has been a deterioation in the general behavioural standards of young white male expatriates in Shanghai and I concur with that observation. I have seen loutish behaviour in Shanghai you would never see in Mumbai.
The socialising (and drinking) cultures are totally different. China will tolerate boisterous expatriate (and occasionally very poor) expatriate behavior as long as they keep buying drinks. It has created a handful of what I would describe as white expatriate ghetto bars in Shanghai especially. In Mumbai, the local culture, rather than Western, dominates and it keeps a lid on the worst excesses of anglo-saxon aggresiveness. India even has “dry days” where you can’t buy an alcoholic drink at all for 24 hours. The drinking culture is far more moderate in India. Consequently, alcholic-fuelled arrogance is far less, and I do notice this amongst expatriate bar behaviour between Shanghai (free-for-all) and Mumbai (more considered).
@ Steve – Dolphins. The last successful survey, in 1997 of these animals counted 13. In 2007, a National Geographic lead survey team with 30 scientists surveyed some 3,500 sqkm of the Yangtze for several months and found no trace. There are none in captivity. One lives in hope, but it looks bleak indeed.
Several other Yangtze aquatic species are also thought to have become extinct, including the magnificent Paddle Fish I mentioned. Apparently the Three Gorges Dam prevented many species from reaching breeding grounds further upriver and with those gone, they died out. Bird life and other flora and fauna have also significantly declined along the river – these things unfortunately also have serious knock-on effects.
Thanks for your comments – Chris
Thanks for the clarification regarding the Yangtze River dolphin. Very sad indeed that they have gone. Actually considering how polluted the river is it is perhaps a bit surprising that they held on as long as they did.
I have not been to India so cannot draw the comparison regarding drinking behaviour, however what I have seen from Western expats in Shanghai it is no worse than what you would find in Hong Kong, Singapore or Tokyo, and not at the level of debauchery that you might see in Bangkok or Manila.
Cheers
Steve
I’m in Shanghai sometimes, it now divided two parts, upmarket (Bund, Xintiandi) which are very good, and low end catering almost entirely for young white men getting drunken. This is out of balance now in Shanghhai. Too many liquor licenses given to the wrong type of establishment. In Mumbai the procedure is more strict and we keep the abuse of behavior down. If you give an white expat alcohol he will normally be drinking it. The problem is in the controlling of this. Shanghhai is becoming unconfortable in many places of social entertainment with rowdy behaviors and so on. An expatriate discipoline problem and a licensing problem both together.
Thats a very shrewd observation Sanjit. I don’t think the Chinese licensing authorities monitor the process vary well and it is certainly open to corruption and abuse. I know of at least one very well known expat bar in Shanghai that has a strong brand name and several years operation under its belt that doesn’t actually possess a liquor license. Yet those beers keep flowing. Its a valid point you raise over the licencing issue and one that goes some way to explaining the degrading of Shanghai’s social scene. Thanks – Chris
Well, I must say a very entertaing Article. Kudos to Chris and his team for comming up with such good articles.
Just a Naughty thought…
If an Indian and a Chinese are stuck on a lonely island.
Out of the two – Who will survive and how ?
Dear Sumeet, an interesting question, and somewhat mischievous. Let’s just say that with populations in excess of a billion each the chances of them being alone together on a lonely island are remote.
However, I’m tempted to say the Chinese guy would redevelop the island and sell it to the Indian for a massive fat profit. But then the Indian will charge the Chinese guy 12 months deposit to live there, USD5,000 rent a month, and invest the proceeds in gold stocks. Then they’d both expire of starvation.
Or am I confusing this with Africa?
Thanks – Chris
Well Chris, I guess you need to rethink .. Indians never invest in gold stocks .. they would rather prefer gold instead
a hint would help u solve the puzzle .. the answer lies in local jargon in india .. look up for the word jugaad used commonly in hindi…
And to some extent in my personal experience with both the races .. I might be wrong .. But its for the readers to comment
You’re right about gold. Most families I know have kilos of the stuff in their houses. As for Jugaads, well I’ve plenty of them in various cities, especially in the north. Some are quite impressive. For our readers who are not familar with the term, here’s the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jugaad
However, used locally, its also someone who is quite smart. A Jugaad “is a tribute to native genius, and lateral thinking.” While a Jugaadu person is “one who has numerous useful and cashable Jugaads”.
So hopefully both your Indian and Chinese will survive your island adventure if they have a bit of Jugaadism about them.
NO doubt that both races would survive.. But this question was raised to highlight the difference in approach to a problem by an Indian and Chinese.
Well the problem here is a lonely island – - well not so much for the Indian — he has a chinese guy for company —
Second problem here is food — well chinese guy scores over the indian guy as he has a rich and variety of dietary habbit — most of the indians are usually vegiterians and in non-veg also they are very selective..
Third problem here is how do you survive — well by the very nature chinese are very hard working ppl – no one can compete with them on that.. so most probably the chinese would work hard do farming on the island and eat whatever he finds on the island..
As for the Indian … they are jugaadu ppl … they know how to work around the problem.. he woudl offer the chinese guy to together cut a fruit tree … and in the bargain would offer him all the fruits of the tree..
Then he would offer chinese guy to make a hollow in the tree trunk .. and in the bargain would offer him the wood for lighting fire ..
Before the chinese guy would know .. the indian guy has his boat ready …. he would then take off in that boat…
I think this has become slightly surreal, but hey, all good fun. Thanks – Chris