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Nov. 4 – China is continuing to issue paper visas to Kashmiri Indians holding Indian passports, demonstrating that they will continue to not recognize Indian sovereignty over the region.
Noted Indian scientist Shakil Romshoo was taken off a China Southern flight yesterday after boarding with a China issued paper visa, against Indian regulations. Romshoo also carried an Indian passport which did not contain a stamped China visa. Romshoo was scheduled to attend and collect an award at the 13th World Lake conference in Wuhan when Indian immigration officials removed him from the plane.
China is currently disputing the citizenship of Kashmiri’s holding Indian passports, and currently issues visas on a separate piece of paper that India does not accept. However, Chinese officials say these visas are correct and valid.
The incident is a continuation of the current border problems that China appears to be provoking to push India to deal with the Tibetan government-in-exile, which operates from Dharamsala in Indian territory. India permits the Tibetan government-in-exile and exiled Tibetans to receive a “Green Book,” which demonstrates their identity as an exiled Tibetan. Upon provision of this document, India also allows holders to travel on Indian raised international travel documentation, which China regards as infringing its sovereignty over Tibetans as Chinese nationals.
November 4th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
I salute to Chinese Govt. for their brave descion. We Kashmiris don’t accept Indian Occupation. We have our own identity. Kashmiri people hate Cruel Indians.
Why India have more than 700000 troops in our valley?. Just to press our freedom of expression. India can’t do that……………..SOON KASHMIR WILL BE AN INDIPENDANT STATE.
November 5th, 2009 at 12:40 am
We as a Kashmiri appriciate and selute the policy of China who supports Kashmiris’ rights of self-determination-Kashmir is disputed territory unresolved accepted by india in UNSC. It is duty of USA and UK to adopt the same policy for the resolution of Kashmir and peace in south asia. They should save people of Kashmir from genocidial and indian military terrorism. Kashmiri people want their right which is snatched by India’s military might policy.
November 5th, 2009 at 1:17 am
I salute to Kashmiris who have guts to stand up to India.
India is like a dog. Dog likes to threat its perceived weaker people. However, if people stand up to this dog with a big stick in hand, this dog will run away with tail between its legs. Just like it did in 1962.
When facing a dog, you have to stand up to yourself.
November 5th, 2009 at 2:49 am
Their are outstanding issues with the UN regarding Kashmir. The paper visa issued by the Chinese to Kashmiris is for their immigration control purposes and they have re-iterated that it is a valid visa. It is a disgrace that the Indian administration is now preventing free travel of THEIR SUBJECTS. If the esteemed Professor holds a valid Indian passport and is not being charged with any crime then he should be allowed to leave and return to and from any part of India freely. What part of democracy dose the Indian administration not understand?
November 5th, 2009 at 3:00 am
Errata:
“What part of democracy DOES the Indian administration not understand?
November 5th, 2009 at 10:34 am
It seems to me that India is a country that has high mal-nutrition rate, high illiteracy rate, high poverty rate among its population, 40% of its districts in the mainland are infested with antigovernment insurgency, etc. I wonder why it is squandering its treasury on its military so that it can occupy the lands that don’t belong to it, such as Kashmir and the so called Northeastern States, instead spending the money taking care of its own people.
November 5th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
@Observer “If the esteemed Professor holds a valid Indian passport and is not being charged with any crime then he should be allowed to leave and return to and from any part of India freely”.
He was trying to board a flight to China without a valid visa in his passport. That actually contravenes a number of international regulations of which both India and China are signatory to. It is related to questions of nationality, responsibility and social welfare that we have such agreements in place. In issuing him with a paper visa, the Chinese were in fact refusing to acknowledge his identity as an Indian national. The implication is that China potentially regards Kashmir as its territory.
From your comemnts, it would appear that in the name of democracy, the entire world should do without the passport system?
Alternatively, perhaps the Kashmiri’s would prefer to be governed by the Chinese?
These are serious issues and one which deserve rather more contemplation than a knee jerk reaction to India’s undoubted mismanagement, and China’s sly poke at the unresolved problem of Kashmir.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Dear Chris. Thanks for your feedback.
It was not my intention to call for the doing away with passports for democracies. In fact I would consider myself an advocate for a country’s need for tighter border management with a fair but tailored immigration policy with allowances made for genuine refugees.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think China is making a claim on Indian occupied Kasmir and nor do they expect the Kasmiris to be Chinese nationals. The Chinese are making a claim on South Tibet or AP but that’s in the east.
In Indian occupied Kashmir, there is almost half of the Indian army stationed there which does indicate a troubled region. People claiming to be Kashmiris on this and other blogs seem to be in favor of China issuing these paper visas as they are probably hoping (in vain I might add) that China will take up the outstanding issues UN resolutions concerning Kashmir. Secondly as I mentioned previously these paper visas allow Kashmiris to remove them after their return from China so that when the Indian police or army look at their passports no added grief is applied to the holder.
I will agree with you that China is having a “sly poke at the unresolved problem of Kashmir” and that the Indian administration seems to be at a loss at how to handle this. Nevertheless the current actions of the Indian administration as regards these abnormal Chinese visas constitutes harrassment of her own Indian subjects.
As for the Professor, it seems that he’s become a high profile “piggy-in-the-middle”. Only if the Chinese issued visa was deemed invalid by the Chinese would he be prevented from entering China. All the reports that I’ve read so far have said that the Chinese government said the visas are valid and that it is the Indians have issues with them. The Professor should now be allowed to travel to China. I don’t think he’ll have a problem with immigration on the Chinese side. For all his troubles he might even be feted now at any Chinese conference he attends. On his return his Inidan passport SHOULD allow him automatic entry to Kashmir.
November 6th, 2009 at 12:21 am
@Chris. Had India been so much concerned and loyal to the international agreements it has made (and which you are refering to), it would have never called us its own citizens and massacared our 150,000 people just because we are trying to remind her its own promises.
Moreover, China along with US, UK are among the 5 signatories at the UN including India that Kashmir is a disputed state and its political future is to be determined by its own subjets. China might be doing it to avenge India but technically it should have done it way before and its perfectly right and compliant to all its moral obligations, to do so.
Just to let you know,
There is no nation in the world which support Indian stand on Kashmir (that it is its integral part) but its just that they dont make efforts to pressurize India, otherwise whole world is already supporting Kashmir cause.
November 6th, 2009 at 12:22 am
Hail China for this overture.
November 9th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Its a complex issue thats for sure. I think getting (Bill) Clinton in to act as peacebroker as he has offered to do would be a good idea. Otherwise this issue just goes around and around with no resolution. If China & Pakistan could reach settlement over the Kashmir issue, they could start to deal with the real issues – defeating terrorism, and catching up with China.
November 9th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
… or the professor could just take a flight to Hong Kong.
But honestly, screwing Kashmiris like this for China’s fault? Yeah, I’ll bet we got China trembling in their boots.
November 13th, 2009 at 4:04 am
Hail china for champinoing the cause of self rule and democracy for Kashmiris..something whihc they will not even provide for their own citizens or Tibetans.
November 13th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
This is disgusting. We Indians are been provoked by Chinese. You have no right to issue such visas to us otherwise Tibetians should be issued similar visas.
November 14th, 2009 at 8:13 am
There’s a problem with that argument Abdul – India does issue passports for Tibetans, and the Tibetan Government in exile. China disapproves. A case of tit-fot-tat I suspect.
November 21st, 2009 at 1:40 pm
What china is necessity. It should have done before 10 years. We kashmiri hate India and bloody Indian troops.
November 24th, 2009 at 5:27 am
ALL WHAT I HAVE READ ABOVE IS SHEER NONSENSE.NOBODY IS EQUIPPED WITH FACTS OR REALITY ON GROUND. IT IS NOT BETWEEN CHINA AND INDIA.AT LEAST CHINA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH KASHMIR .IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THE CRUX OF THE PROBLEM ALL OF YOU NEED TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH YOUR HISTORY BOOKS IF YOU HAVE SOME SO THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE CORE OF THE PROBLEM. IN CASE YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED TO GO IN HISTORY KINDLY SPEND SOME TIME WITH YOUR GRANDPARENTS AND THEY WILL TELL YOU THE REAL STORY. I WANT TO LEAVE YOU HERE BUT CAN ANYBODY OF YOU TELL ME ABOUT KASHMIR BEFORE AURANGZEB. GIVE IT A THOUGHT YOU WILL HAVE THE REPLY. IF NOT SEND YOUR COMMENTS.LONG LIVE INDIA WITH ITS DIVERSITY.
November 24th, 2009 at 5:35 am
ALSO I DO NOT THINK THAT A COUNTRY LIKE CHINA WILL INDULGE IN PETTY THINGS LIKE THIS.THEY ARE HARD WORKING PEOPLE AND SINCERELY WORKING FOR BETTERMENT OF ITS CITIZENS.
November 24th, 2009 at 5:40 am
I think that a country like China will not do these petty things as they are rightly busy with upliftment of their citizens and take China as the only country in asia as a super power.CHINESE HAVE TAKEN THE RIGHT PATH FOR FUTURE and all of us need to learn from them as far as governance is concerned.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:22 am
ur right..DKS…atlest u have guts to say something among these fellows….blamin india n armed forces n indian governance for there fates…seeds sown by themselves….india a country which has always welcomed outsiders,being a native land of hindus but now a land of great cultural diversity..indi which fought for the cause of east pakistan without its own interes to put n end to a genocide done on them by their own people.n what about hundreds of kashmiri pandits who have been expelled from their own homeland n now living life of refugees…they just want to be a seprate nation half of which across loc is already turned into a hell,a terrorist hub.. from heaven…be proud to be an indian
January 19th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
HEY WHAT U GUYS NO ABOUT KASHMIR….. CHINA NEEDS TO TAKE CARE OF THR OWN COUMTRY AND THR MAN …. AND IF THEY HAVE ANY CONCERMN FIRST GO AND RESOLVE TIBET AND THEN LOOK FOR SOMETHING ELSE….. AND PEOPLE ABOVE WHO CAME UP WITH THR VIEWS AND I REQUEST THEM TO DO SOME GROUND WORK BEFORE THE GIVE THR VIEWS IN A OPEN PLATFORM…. OR ELSE IT SEEMS TAHT U R TALKING NONSENSE…. CHK OUT HISTORY BOOKS…. WORK ON GOOGLE AND WIKIPEDIA…. CHK OUT THE FACTS AND THEN WRITE SOMETHING …. PEOPLE OF CHINA AND THE WORLD WOULD APPRICATE…