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		<title>By: Chris Devonshire-Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Devonshire-Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 06:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it seems you&#039;re counting players as being Chinese local Uyghurs if they&#039;re actually a Mongolian national but married to a local girl. Absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it seems you&#8217;re counting players as being Chinese local Uyghurs if they&#8217;re actually a Mongolian national but married to a local girl. Absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: sinobball</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinobball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 20:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if you count a 10-man rotation, the breakdown is
2 Americans
1 Mongolian
3 Uyghur
1 Kyrgyz
3 Han Chinese

I don&#039;t see how your points are valid on any level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if you count a 10-man rotation, the breakdown is<br />
2 Americans<br />
1 Mongolian<br />
3 Uyghur<br />
1 Kyrgyz<br />
3 Han Chinese</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how your points are valid on any level.</p>
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		<title>By: sinobball</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinobball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 20:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if you can&#039;t count or not, but that&#039;s 3 Uyghur players in Mawlan, Murat and Shiralijan. Keranbek the Kyrgyz is also a Xinjiang native and Munkhbaatar the Mongolian is married to a Uyghur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if you can&#8217;t count or not, but that&#8217;s 3 Uyghur players in Mawlan, Murat and Shiralijan. Keranbek the Kyrgyz is also a Xinjiang native and Munkhbaatar the Mongolian is married to a Uyghur.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Devonshire-Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Devonshire-Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 10:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@sinobball - thanks for the link. What it actually says is: Today&#039;s Xinjiang club (one of the top teams in CBA) features a couple Uighurs (Mawlan Tursun, Murat Adiljan and Shiralijan Muhtar) and a Kyrgyz (Keranbek Maken). All 4 play significant minutes in Xinjiang&#039;s 8-men rotation which also includes a Mongolian and 2 Americans. Bayi also has a Uzbek player named Shokrat Azat.&quot; 

Which by my reckoning means there are a grand total of two Uyghurs in Xinjiang&#039;s Flying Tigers. That&#039;s a ratio of 1/4 of the local population making up the local team. 

Which I think means my point remains valid. 
Thanks - Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@sinobball &#8211; thanks for the link. What it actually says is: Today&#8217;s Xinjiang club (one of the top teams in CBA) features a couple Uighurs (Mawlan Tursun, Murat Adiljan and Shiralijan Muhtar) and a Kyrgyz (Keranbek Maken). All 4 play significant minutes in Xinjiang&#8217;s 8-men rotation which also includes a Mongolian and 2 Americans. Bayi also has a Uzbek player named Shokrat Azat.&#8221; </p>
<p>Which by my reckoning means there are a grand total of two Uyghurs in Xinjiang&#8217;s Flying Tigers. That&#8217;s a ratio of 1/4 of the local population making up the local team. </p>
<p>Which I think means my point remains valid.<br />
Thanks &#8211; Chris</p>
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		<title>By: sinobball</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinobball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 23:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the Xinjiang Flying Tigers, whose team is made up almost exclusively of Han players, not Uyghur&quot;

Please, do some research before you write. To help you out,
http://forums.interbasket.net/f21/ethnic-minority-players-in-china-12827/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the Xinjiang Flying Tigers, whose team is made up almost exclusively of Han players, not Uyghur&#8221;</p>
<p>Please, do some research before you write. To help you out,<br />
<a href="http://forums.interbasket.net/f21/ethnic-minority-players-in-china-12827/" rel="nofollow">http://forums.interbasket.net/f21/ethnic-minority-players-in-china-12827/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Devonshire-Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Devonshire-Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indian cricketers are there on merit not because of who they know. They&#039;d be found out pretty quickly if they were rubbish in an IPL or national side. Plus the IPL attracts a great many of the worlds best. Plenty of Kiwi, South African and Aussie players in there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indian cricketers are there on merit not because of who they know. They&#8217;d be found out pretty quickly if they were rubbish in an IPL or national side. Plus the IPL attracts a great many of the worlds best. Plenty of Kiwi, South African and Aussie players in there.</p>
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		<title>By: Sanjeev Jain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sanjeev Jain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@KVP. The states you&#039;ve mentioned do not play cricket. They are football crazy states. The entire northeast of India has a love affair with football. Even in Kerala and West Bengal, people love their football but that doesnt mean we never had cricketers from Bengal- Sourav Ganguly. Kerals- S. Sreesanth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@KVP. The states you&#8217;ve mentioned do not play cricket. They are football crazy states. The entire northeast of India has a love affair with football. Even in Kerala and West Bengal, people love their football but that doesnt mean we never had cricketers from Bengal- Sourav Ganguly. Kerals- S. Sreesanth.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Devonshire-Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Devonshire-Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 04:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Maitreya, thanks for your comments. Its nothing about smearing China (why would I want to do that?) but it&#039;s what I see. I also see that whenever there is the slightest criticism of China, the Chinese bloggers get a bit mental. The Indians are rather more tolerant. The Chinese governnment has introduced into Chinese society a thought process that imemdiately equates any criticism with attack to be roundly lambasted, derided and differing opinions denied. I don&#039;t think that&#039;s healthy. However, I did have a look at your blog. Good job. Thanks - Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Maitreya, thanks for your comments. Its nothing about smearing China (why would I want to do that?) but it&#8217;s what I see. I also see that whenever there is the slightest criticism of China, the Chinese bloggers get a bit mental. The Indians are rather more tolerant. The Chinese governnment has introduced into Chinese society a thought process that imemdiately equates any criticism with attack to be roundly lambasted, derided and differing opinions denied. I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s healthy. However, I did have a look at your blog. Good job. Thanks &#8211; Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Maitreya Bhakal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maitreya Bhakal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is very clear that the author has let his own personal prejudice cloud his professionalism, by twisting facts and misinterpreting most of them. I don&#039;t even know where to begin.

Religion has for years been used by Indian politicians to cater to votebanks. 
The author has displayed a stark misunderstanding of India in that direction.

First of all, a few differences in India and China:
1) Muslim population in India are 13.4%, in in China, the unofficial figure is 1-2%.
2) India has 2000 ethnic groups, while China has 56.

Now, any minority citizen achieving success in India is construed as India &quot;embracing its differences&quot; and the lack of relative lack of minority success stories in China is seen as China &quot;not knowing what it means to be Chinese&quot;!

The fact that Yousuf Pathan was praised for his effort has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING whatsoever to do with his being Muslim; and also has nothing to do with the assertion that he achieved such success and praise &lt;i&gt;despite&lt;/i&gt; being Muslim. 
The &quot;&lt;i&gt;despite&lt;/i&gt;&quot; factor is also irrelevant here, since a) A score of Muslim cricketers have done India proud, not only Pathan, and b) there are no &quot;religious quotas&quot; as such for cricketers in India. Hence, the selection of a cricket player in the team depends largely on merit. The author has focused on his being Muslim more than his being a good cricketer - deliberately mixing religion and sport.

The author says: &lt;i&gt;&quot;It is almost implausible to consider a Chinese Muslim as a religious, boundary-crossing superstar in China&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Well, that&#039;s because there are only 1-2% Muslims in China as I said earlier, and that too according to unofficial estimates. Hence common sense dictates that the chances of encountering a Chinese Muslim as a &quot;religious, boundary-crossing superstar&quot; are quite slim compared to India. The economic differences are also a factor.


&lt;i&gt;&quot;There is honor in losing in India&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe that&#039;s why Dhoni&#039;s house is attacked and damaged when India loses! 
During the semifinal of the 1996 Cricket World Cup in Calcutta (now Kolkata), the home crowd set fire to the stands after the Indian team collapsed.
And there are scores of such examples.


&lt;i&gt;&quot;the then Chinese team performed so badly – not even scoring one goal – that interest was lost&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

To this day, soccer is the number one spectator sport in China.
In one survey, 68 percent of people asked in a Beijing poll said they watched matches in the 1998 World Cup even though a Chinese team was not present and the games were often on in middle of the night.
More than 700 million Chinese watched the World Cup in 2006. 



&lt;i&gt;&quot;While India – crazy, mixed up, secular, diverse, and colorful –embraces its differences&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe that&#039;s why major riots take place in India at regular intervals - 1984, 1992, 2002.....!
Not to mention the minor ones.


&lt;i&gt;&quot;The state intervenes instead, and educates its Han citizens on their “Motherland,” while at the same time partially excluding its minorities&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Is the author trying to say that minorities are NOT educated about their &quot;motherland&quot;? Is China not the &quot;motherland&quot; of Chinese minorities too? Will the author make the same statement about India, where minorities are also taught about the Indian &quot;Motherland&quot;? 
When has the Chinese state partially &quot;excluded&quot; its minorities?
And I&#039;m not even going into the policies which FAVOUR minorities - from relaxation of the one-child policy to preference for admissions and entrance exams.


&lt;i&gt;&quot;The one-party state cannot and does not understand nor want any encouragement of regional division. India thrives on it.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s right. China wants a united nation. Indian politicians, on the other hand, EXPLOIT these differences to, to put it quite bluntly, win elections. 

Also - India &quot;thrives&quot; on regional division? Maybe that&#039;s why so many deadly riots occur in India. Maybe that&#039;s why a third of India&#039;s land area is infested by armed Naxals, operating what is literally a parallel army. Maybe that&#039;s why all seven of India&#039;s Northeastern states have active armed insurgencies. There are so many examples that that assertion of the author seems more like fantasy.


&lt;i&gt;&quot;....a national camaraderie exists, a feeling that China cannot seem to generate&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Is that why the stadium emptied when Liu Xiang was injured?!


&lt;i&gt;&quot;at the Winter Olympics, when we learned the Chinese Olympic Committee issued 

guidelines to their athletes on what to say when presented with medals: “Firstly, praise and thank your Motherland. Secondly, praise and thank your Mother”.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

There was no such advice from the Chinese Olympic Committee, but just one official. There was no official statement or advisory.

The author has also conveniently chosen to ignore the sorry and dismal state of India&#039;s National sport - Hockey.

It is abundantly clear that either the author a) didn&#039;t do proper research, or b) didn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; 
to do so, as his only aim was to twist facts and smear China.

 - Maitreya Bhakal
   &lt;i&gt;India&#039;s China Blog&lt;/i&gt; - http://indiaschinablog.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is very clear that the author has let his own personal prejudice cloud his professionalism, by twisting facts and misinterpreting most of them. I don&#8217;t even know where to begin.</p>
<p>Religion has for years been used by Indian politicians to cater to votebanks.<br />
The author has displayed a stark misunderstanding of India in that direction.</p>
<p>First of all, a few differences in India and China:<br />
1) Muslim population in India are 13.4%, in in China, the unofficial figure is 1-2%.<br />
2) India has 2000 ethnic groups, while China has 56.</p>
<p>Now, any minority citizen achieving success in India is construed as India &#8220;embracing its differences&#8221; and the lack of relative lack of minority success stories in China is seen as China &#8220;not knowing what it means to be Chinese&#8221;!</p>
<p>The fact that Yousuf Pathan was praised for his effort has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING whatsoever to do with his being Muslim; and also has nothing to do with the assertion that he achieved such success and praise <i>despite</i> being Muslim.<br />
The &#8220;<i>despite</i>&#8221; factor is also irrelevant here, since a) A score of Muslim cricketers have done India proud, not only Pathan, and b) there are no &#8220;religious quotas&#8221; as such for cricketers in India. Hence, the selection of a cricket player in the team depends largely on merit. The author has focused on his being Muslim more than his being a good cricketer &#8211; deliberately mixing religion and sport.</p>
<p>The author says: <i>&#8220;It is almost implausible to consider a Chinese Muslim as a religious, boundary-crossing superstar in China&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s because there are only 1-2% Muslims in China as I said earlier, and that too according to unofficial estimates. Hence common sense dictates that the chances of encountering a Chinese Muslim as a &#8220;religious, boundary-crossing superstar&#8221; are quite slim compared to India. The economic differences are also a factor.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;There is honor in losing in India&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s why Dhoni&#8217;s house is attacked and damaged when India loses!<br />
During the semifinal of the 1996 Cricket World Cup in Calcutta (now Kolkata), the home crowd set fire to the stands after the Indian team collapsed.<br />
And there are scores of such examples.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;the then Chinese team performed so badly – not even scoring one goal – that interest was lost&#8221;</i></p>
<p>To this day, soccer is the number one spectator sport in China.<br />
In one survey, 68 percent of people asked in a Beijing poll said they watched matches in the 1998 World Cup even though a Chinese team was not present and the games were often on in middle of the night.<br />
More than 700 million Chinese watched the World Cup in 2006. </p>
<p><i>&#8220;While India – crazy, mixed up, secular, diverse, and colorful –embraces its differences&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s why major riots take place in India at regular intervals &#8211; 1984, 1992, 2002&#8230;..!<br />
Not to mention the minor ones.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The state intervenes instead, and educates its Han citizens on their “Motherland,” while at the same time partially excluding its minorities&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Is the author trying to say that minorities are NOT educated about their &#8220;motherland&#8221;? Is China not the &#8220;motherland&#8221; of Chinese minorities too? Will the author make the same statement about India, where minorities are also taught about the Indian &#8220;Motherland&#8221;?<br />
When has the Chinese state partially &#8220;excluded&#8221; its minorities?<br />
And I&#8217;m not even going into the policies which FAVOUR minorities &#8211; from relaxation of the one-child policy to preference for admissions and entrance exams.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The one-party state cannot and does not understand nor want any encouragement of regional division. India thrives on it.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s right. China wants a united nation. Indian politicians, on the other hand, EXPLOIT these differences to, to put it quite bluntly, win elections. </p>
<p>Also &#8211; India &#8220;thrives&#8221; on regional division? Maybe that&#8217;s why so many deadly riots occur in India. Maybe that&#8217;s why a third of India&#8217;s land area is infested by armed Naxals, operating what is literally a parallel army. Maybe that&#8217;s why all seven of India&#8217;s Northeastern states have active armed insurgencies. There are so many examples that that assertion of the author seems more like fantasy.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;.a national camaraderie exists, a feeling that China cannot seem to generate&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Is that why the stadium emptied when Liu Xiang was injured?!</p>
<p><i>&#8220;at the Winter Olympics, when we learned the Chinese Olympic Committee issued </p>
<p>guidelines to their athletes on what to say when presented with medals: “Firstly, praise and thank your Motherland. Secondly, praise and thank your Mother”.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>There was no such advice from the Chinese Olympic Committee, but just one official. There was no official statement or advisory.</p>
<p>The author has also conveniently chosen to ignore the sorry and dismal state of India&#8217;s National sport &#8211; Hockey.</p>
<p>It is abundantly clear that either the author a) didn&#8217;t do proper research, or b) didn&#8217;t <i>want</i><br />
to do so, as his only aim was to twist facts and smear China.</p>
<p> &#8211; Maitreya Bhakal<br />
   <i>India&#8217;s China Blog</i> &#8211; <a href="http://indiaschinablog.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://indiaschinablog.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Devonshire-Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Devonshire-Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Guys, what I see is that when China&#039;s ethnic minorities are a hassle (such as riots) they are described as &quot;Tibetans&quot; or &quot;Uyghurs&quot; yet when its good news or matters of sovereignity issues they are &quot;Chinese&quot;. Doublespeak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Guys, what I see is that when China&#8217;s ethnic minorities are a hassle (such as riots) they are described as &#8220;Tibetans&#8221; or &#8220;Uyghurs&#8221; yet when its good news or matters of sovereignity issues they are &#8220;Chinese&#8221;. Doublespeak.</p>
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