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Perceptions of India: Dirty, No Infrastructure and Poor

Op-Ed Commentary: Chris Devonshire-Ellis

Oct. 26 – While Asia continues its rapid transformation, many people are still playing Nero, fiddling while Rome burns. They are content to have been part of the new emerging Asia – sitting in swanky restaurants in Shanghai and declaring themselves the cutting edge of the world’s second largest economy. When I mention India, the conversation always drifts towards the dirt, the poverty, the lack of infrastructure, and the lack of…well just about everything.

Although there is dirt, poverty, a lack of infrastructure and all the problems associated with a country of 1.2 billion people, things in India are changing rapidly. I recall Shanghai being closed by 9pm, and foreigners not being allowed to walk the streets. I recall the airport express way to Beijing having donkeys and carts trotting along it. I recall everyone in blue Mao suits and when a pair of Levis was a massive statement of fashion. I recall Marlboro cigarettes and Johnnie Walker Red Label being sold as luxury items. What has happened in China has not just been a matter of development, it’s also been a change in perception. Fifteen years ago, Shanghai was half asleep, now it’s a glamorous, sophisticated city everyone wants to be seen in. But what of India? People roll their eyes and say the mantra… “Poor. Dirty. No Infrastructure.” But in fact, it’s just like China used to be.

Here is a photo essay that perhaps may help change those perceptions and provide an alternative view to what is going there – for India is doing a China, and is massively upgrading.

What is it?
The Commonwealth Games weren’t all bad. In fact once they got underway it was fine. This is the Aerostat, a helium-filled, laser beam zapping, image-intensifying massive events projector that displayed replays, scores and events across Delhi’s excellent stadium. Have you ever seen anything like that? Hi-tech India at its best.

What is it?
Indian farmers online and equipped with mobile phone and computers, making it possible for them to get the best daily price for their crops. Internet usage accounts for 85 percent of Indian mobile phone traffic. India represents the world’s fastest growing telecommunications network and is second only to China in total mobile phone users. India also has some of the lowest call rates in the world. The power of communications is enriching people’s lives.

What is it?
It’s the new Jaguar XJ. While China’s Geely bought Volvo, India’s Tata bought Jaguar, and Land Rover just for good measure. Tata is currently looking for a manufacturing and sales partner for its Jaguar and Land Rover brands in China. No offense, but I’d rather cry in the back seat of a Jaguar than be happy in the front seat of a Volvo.

What is it?
It’s Russell Brand and Katy Perry, who just got married in India, at the luxurious Aman-i-Khas resort near the Ranthambhore Tiger Sanctuary in Rajasthan. Apparently, the groom rode into the ceremony on a horse, flanked by camels and elephants. No one does sheer opulence or grandeur like the Indians, and probably not quite the exotic romance either. The Brand-Perry ceremony follows a recent slew of celebrity weddings held in the country.

What is it?
A bottle of Marquise de Pompadour, Indian sparkling wine, from Chateau Indage. A wine so good, that under its export brand, “Omar Khyyam,” Chris Patten used to serve it as a tipple at Government House in Hong Kong. Invested in by Moet & Chandon, it’s a refreshing bubbly on a sultry evening in Bombay. India’s domestic wine industry is relatively young, but the terroir at altitude lends itself very well to certain wines. A decent red? Sula Vineyards “Dindori” will knock spots off any Chinese wine.

What is it?
The Koh-I-Noor Diamond. Now part of the British Royal Family’s Crown Jewels, it was mined from the famed Golconda mines sometime in the 1300s. Weighing in at 103 carats, it was until recently the largest diamond ever found. India cuts and processes 90 percent of all gemstones globally, and has just opened the world’s largest diamond trading bourse.

What is it?
It’s the world’s most expensive house, built by billionaire Mukesh Ambani of Reliance Industries. A 27-story state-of-the-art, 400,000 square foot building worth US$1 billion in the heart of Mumbai, it features three helicopter pads, underground parking for 160 cars, a gym, a dance studio, a ballroom, lounges, a 50-seat movie theatre, an elevated garden with enough room to plant a small forest, and a staff of 600 to maintain all the facilities. He moved in last week.

What is it?
Indigo. Operated by well-known restaurateur-chef Rahul Akerkar, it tops every food critic’s A-list and has been listed by Condé Nast Traveler as one of the 60 best restaurants in the world. Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt, Liz Hurley, the Clintons, and every other international celebrity passing through Mumbai stop here. I recommend sitting upstairs in the open-air terrace with its Frangipani trees, and trying the Pomegranate Martini before tucking into one of the best fusion menus worldwide.

What is it?
It’s Chowpatty Beach in Mumbai. Cleaned daily, one can literally just walk out of their office and go for a paddle. Strolling along Chowpatty in the evening is essential for any trip to Mumbai. That’s the Nariman Point business district in the background.

What is it?
Varca Beach in Goa. Just an hours flight from Mumbai, Goa has over sixty miles of largely unspoilt beaches – but plenty of nightlife too if you want to hang out. China’s Sanya suffers from the relative shallowness of the South China Sea, but India’s coastline with the Indian Ocean is long, mostly unspoilt, deserted, and offers plenty of options for beach vacations in a manner China can only dream about.

What is it?
Delhi’s expanding metro system. Six lines, 153 kilometers with 130 stations, 1.4 million commuters daily. India’s currently building metros in another 40 major cities. The future plans for the Delhi metro call for 14 more routes by 2020, adding an additional 180 kilometers of track to the system. That infrastructure issue…Metroheads can go here for the details on Delhi.

What is it?
The Bandra-Worli sealink in Mumbai. While Shanghai has bridges across the Huangpu River, Mumbai has eight bays across the Indian Ocean. Constructing bridges across tidal salt-water is rather more complex than across even a large river. This reduces the time taken to get from old Mumbai’s CBD (Colaba area) to its new (Bandra) from 2 hours to 25 minutes.

In short, just as China used to be perceived as backward, unfriendly, full of bicycles and cheap knockoffs, so those images have begun to be taken over by perceptions of expense, quality and reliability. India is changing too, and for the better. These images, all gathered within the past six months, tell that the perceptions of India are also changing, and in many cases, just as much or in even more spectacular a manner than China. India still has a way to go, but as I have said many times, “infrastructure is the opportunity” – just as it was in China – and those old perceptions of the country being backward, dirty, poor and decrepit are as outmoded as images of the Chinese quoting passages from Mao’s Little Red book.

Chris Devonshire-Ellis is the principal and founding partner of Dezan Shira & Associates, establishing the firm’s China practice in 1992 and the India practice in 2007. The firm now has ten offices in China and five in India. For advice over China-India strategy, trade, investment, legal and tax matters please contact the firm at [email protected]. The firm’s brochure may be downloaded here. Chris also contributes to Asia Briefing’s other titles, India Briefing, China Briefing and Vietnam Briefing.

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40 Responses to Perceptions of India: Dirty, No Infrastructure and Poor

  1. Eric says:

    In 1991, India and China pretty much had the same per capita GDP. 20 years later: it’s $1000 v. $3500 (nominal GDP per capital)

    Contrary to popular opinion, India did not really start reforms later than China. In 1985, India began reforms and they picked up momentous pace in 1991. 1978 was the launch of reforms in China but it was initially a limited period of experimentation. A SEZ was established in the minor fishing city of Shenzhen because it didn’t matter. It was not until 1991/1992 was Shanghai actually unleashed because it was too important to immediately experiment with.

    And let’s not forget China was starting from a much worse base. Just a decade before the reforms, tens of millions of people died in a famine and endured horrible political chaos. In comparison India merely had a socialist economy!

    So you need to examine the last 20 years. Starting from an equal position, China is now 3.5 times ahead and the gap is growing. And that’s why I don’t buy the anyday now in India line. I’ve been waiting a long time.

  2. Keith says:

    India would be better of concentrating on sorting out her problems rather than obsessing about what China is doing.

    China is not India and vice versa, China doesn’t want to be an India and vice versa. All these comparisons are meaningless.

    It’s not a zero sum game, a more developed China doesn’t make India develop any faster or slower.

    If there was a choice of two countries to live in, where in one country the people were single minded in trying to make their lives better and in the other they were single mindedly worried what the other guy was doing; I know which country I’d want to live in.

  3. Ananda says:

    Excellent compilation.

    May be the many gorgeous IT parks around Bangalore, Chennai, Hyderabad etc. would be an excellent brand promotion for India. In fact, I’ve been to Microsoft campus in Redmond,WA and few top campuses in Bay Area – I dont find anything as gorgeous as the Indian IT campuses (E.g: Infy at Mysore). I’m not exaggerating. Indian IT companies, primarily being into outsourcing, use the campus buildings as a form of advertisement to secure the customer confidence.

  4. ajay says:

    But China is building so many expensive buildings take for ex public toilets. China builds 2 million RMB luxury public toilet. Here is the link:
    http://www.chinasmack.com/2008/stories/wuhan-builds-2-million-rmb-luxury-public-toilet.html

    http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2010-05/532615.html

    with that kind of money to spend, no wonder investors does not want to look beyond China. After all who wants to work hard to go and invest in a place which is dirty and infrastructure inappropriate.

    I think, it comes down to the fact that Chinese have money and we don’t.

    It would be great if China start thinking about making a wonder, Great Wall is bit old, therefore it is a time to make something new. This will leave a legacy of PLA and people will remember there regime forever.

    India on the other hand is quite a different type of country, it has so much dirt, Sun and Rain. Dirt makes it dirty, sun makes skin burn and puddles are a breeding ground for disease. I don’t see how these things can be overcome. Best things would be just speed up cleaning operation to remove trash from the cities. A plant where all the trash can be bought and get rid. Highways are already being built. India has different type of climate, different set of problem. You have to look for what it is.

    I assume you are talking about American investors primarily who roll eyes, because Chinese investors seems to be quite aggressive as is evident in Africa. Probably the wealth Americans grew up in and the kind of attitude they had from childhood:”I want ice-cream and i want it right now” generation, they are bit more picky than previous generation.

  5. gary says:

    @Eric:

    if you knew the ABCD of economics or history or both; you wouldn’t have made the hilarious comments you have made.

    First, India did not start reforms in 1985 as you claim. if it had, it wouldn’t have had a balance of payments crisis in 1990.. period..

    secondly, India is following the same trajectory as China.. India’s GDP Size..is same size now as China’s was in 2000.. Also, following current growth rates, India’s GDP in 2020 will be same as China’s GDP today..($4-5 trillion – Nominal) What does this tell us ? There is a 10-year gap in GDP sizes, which makes sense since India started its economic reforms 10 years after China.. There goes some economics for you.. And you can very well bet, the Gap between India and China would have been negligible now if India had started reforms in 1978.. its just simple math..

    I live in the US, but given an option between China and India to live, I ‘d rather live in a free and democratic society which is developing rapidly with favorable demographics than live in a freedom-stifling nation whose percapita income (and Aging) is increasing only because of its forced 1-child policy has reduced population growth & which has made 85 million Chinese men without brides (thanks to female infanticide committed by couples who wanted their 1-child to be a boy) and thanks to that its going to hit a demographic wall soon (around 2015)..

    just wait and watch 😉

  6. Outlander says:

    @ chris

    I can think of one which comes under your what is it ?

    ‘UIDAI’s biometric database will be the largest in the world

    Mr. Nilakeni said UIDAI’s biometric database will be the largest in the world. “While the largest biometric database today, anywhere in the world, covers a population of about 120 million persons, ours will be at least 10 times bigger,” he said.

    Explaining the importance of the project, he said: “India is a highly mobile country, with about 100 million migrating from one place to another. People who move around can continue to claim their entitlements because the number will travel with them. The system will provide for “online verification of identities on a mobile phone network.” Source (The Hindu)

    http://uidai.gov.in/

  7. sandind says:

    Here are my two cents –

    India unfortunately evokes strong emotions..India lovers and India haters. Given the fact that in India for every good thing there is a equally bad one..you just have to choose one or the other.

    For the India haters, your criticism is valid and the fact is we do have large problems to solve that China has managed to solve over the last 20 yrs with clear & radical decisions. As I see it, India’s political scenario and even people are not as homogenous as China and therefore we will make centrist decisions to keep internal peace..so we will take a few years more to get there..25 yrs.

    Lastly, having studied economics I can tell you thats India’s developments are solid.In other words, the above mentioned sea link for example has been through a thorough cost benefit analysis and came up after aligning huge number of stakeholders.Given, India’s domestic centric growth model we wont be that affected by a downturn in US/Europe as China would be..given the export dependency..and is..notwithstanding the current growth.The roads to nowhere generate short term employment and have a multiplier effect but cause long term damage as there was no cost benefit analysis.
    As far as visible poverty goes, its visible coz we dont hide it..we allow the poor to live in cities and provide sundry services to the rich and make a living rather than die in the countryside…rather than make them approach official sanction for travelling within one’s own country.

  8. Outlander says:

    Some of the poor you won’t believe it unless you see yourself. They got satellite T.V and mobile phones these days. And the houses are make shift which doesn’t have a proper drainage or clean drinking water.

  9. Chris Devonshire-Ellis says:

    If you concentrate only on the dirt and poor (and I saw the China Smack photos) then that’s all you’ll see. No-one’s denying the squalor in places, but there is far far more than that. It’s a question of getting a balanced perception – which is what this article is all about.

  10. Paritosh says:

    The Bandra-Worli Sea Link took 10 years in legal litigation over environmental effect, relocation,fishing concerns, etc.. and 6 years to build.

    That’s why India is slower in developing, but its good because everything and everybody is taken in consideration. Not just blind development in name of progress and speed.

    Mr.Manmohan Singh once commented that Elephant leaves a deeper (foot) impression than that of a fleeting Dragon.

  11. Bob says:

    @Paritosh

    Everything and everybody is taken into consideration in India development?

    Then what on earth was going on with the multiple construction and accommodation disasters at the Commonwealth Games? I didn’t see such problems at Beijing’s Games.

  12. Chris Devonshire-Ellis says:

    @Bob – before the Games actually. The event itself went off fine. As for Beijing, multiple worker deaths due to poor management/construction practices I can assure you. In India, that’s all over the news. In China its just another replacement Sichuan migrant worker and it gets covered up. Its what you don’t see that’s the issue in China. All looks good on the presentation.

  13. Paritosh says:

    @Bob- You would be highly mistaken if all the preparations in Beijing were all so rosy and picture perfect. I have been staying in China for the past 16 years and acutely familiar with the China’s ‘Face value’ in the social fabric here. You don’t see or hear things ‘behind the scenes’ which are either deliberately covered up or thrown in the background by the general social mentality of presenting the ‘Best Foot Forward’.

    This ‘face value’ as you would put in Hindi ‘Sharam’/modesty or urdu ‘izzat’/respect is also prevalent in Indian society but in a more toned down manner.

    I do admire that the Beijing Olympics were done in a lot more efficient way than the CWG. But the reasons are obvious that the Central Govt in China is lot more powerful to do & get things done than the Indian Central Govt.

    The Indian media also (over)does its job in a very zealous way so you hear more of the negative than the positive.

    The difference lies in governance. China’s development is coming from top to bottom and the reverse is happening in India going from bottom to top.

    Indian private sector takes new and modern initiatives and forces the Govt. in that direction while in China the Govt. takes those initiatives and forces it on the private sector.

    Being in my second home (China) I don’t hold any special grudge or jealousy rather have admiration and appreciation that this country has done so much at such a break neck speed, but how & why it has happened is pretty clear.

    China has now started looking at correcting such high speed development by-products – pollution, environmental damage, wealth disparity, …

    Sustainability is the key word in this and coming centuries. Not being the biggest, highest, tallest and fastest. If all the 6+ billion people in this world started doing that then OUR world will explode soon, very very soon.

    Glad my comrades have realised it soon enough.

  14. Oh boy says:

    Chris,

    You mention “perception”, but in practice China changed as well. Are you saying that the magic of India and what makes India will be gone in 20 years? Will they maintain the “core” once the economy improves significantly?

    Cheers
    Oh

  15. Chris Devonshire-Ellis says:

    @Paritosh – I think you summed that up well;
    @Oh Boy – Yes, perceptions about China changed a lot. As I mentioned, before it was all blue Mao suits, bicycles and quoting from the Little Red Book. I saw those changes all happen. This article is about India changing, away from being “Dirty, Lacking Infrastructure & Poor” to being a developing and emerging country with a great deal of dynamism and great things going for it. Not everyone gets that yet. But they will. Thanks – Chris

  16. Howard says:

    Thanks Chris for your efforts to promote a modern India to the world.

    It really make sense when you keep working very hard to collect every useful piece which help Indian to gain confidence.

    2poing6billion.com is my favorite source to search for information about “India’s superiority over China”.

    Your efforts of defending India against China are much appreciated. And we see you as one of the best friends of India.

  17. Howard says:

    Sadly there are still many news pieces like this one on today’s Star, which does no good for people’s perceptions of India:

    http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/11/1/apworld/20101101122421&sec=apworld

  18. Frank says:

    It is not the dirt that doom India, it is the lack of ability/will to deal with it. How difficult for India to clean itself up considering it have so many surplus labor and how long India have been shamed by its lack of hygiene. Yet, not much have happened, ppl still urinate/defecate on street. Chinese didn’t have that kind problem even before opening up their economy. The filth of India cannot simply explained by GDP alone, since i visited poorer countries(Laos and Vietnam) and they are nowhere near as dirty. And it is not the poor infrastructure, it is the fact that even every Indian known their infrastructure is bad, and India still don’t have the skill or capital to build it on time. The hot air about IITs producing world class engineers sound like a cruel joke when you think about how bad Indian infrastructure are.

  19. C says:

    @Frank

    “Yet, not much have happened, ppl still urinate/defecate on street. Chinese didn’t have that kind problem even before opening up their economy.”

    Are you serious? Have you ever been China? Even in Shanghai, China’s most developed city, you still see people defecating and urinating in the streets.

  20. Bob says:

    Frank and C

    Yes, I have seen this in China too!!

    I don’t know anything about the quality of Indian infrastructure – but I do think they produce great engineers, (and a lot of them too). But maybe there is a brain drain of these clever engineers?

  21. Christian says:

    Indians and all their pro-India fans love to demonize China to elevate India which is quite pathetic! Sooner or later people are gonna have to realize that Indians cannot compete with China because the Indians have a 20+ point disadvantage in IQ compare to the Chinese. There is a correlation between IQ of a nation and its prosperity. Every country that is developed or developing successfully has an average IQ well into the 90’s and if this is a fact than what does this say about Indians and their 81IQ? No south asian country (pakistan,bangladesh,sri lanka, nepal, burma) has been able to produce any meaningful prosperity for its people and India is no exception. India is the biggest lemon being oversold to the world because they allow themselves to be used as western proxies, lackey’s, and stooges. India is a sham democracy and a failed state and there’s something wrong if a person can’t see that!

  22. Jake says:

    India is destined for success, the scariest thing one has to realize about this, is the huge obstacles it faces including the poverty you mention, lack of education, trade barriers, lack of infrastructure. Consider that despite these factors India has been growing at over 7 percent for the past few years. Could you even begin to imagine the potential of a country of over a billion with, good infrastructure, education and a conducive trade environment? India’s growth has been secondary to its people and its entrepreneurial skills, until quite recently it has been hampered by government. Together with FDI and Government spending i fully expect india’s growth to continue at an even higher trajectory.

    One has to remember 2000-3000 years ago India and China were the worlds leading economies, a return to history is almost inevitable.(japan is only constrained by its size and its relative small population)

    India will be the new America, and China might or might not be the New Russia.

  23. Paritosh says:

    @Christian
    “India is the biggest lemon being oversold to the world because they allow themselves to be used as western proxies, lackey’s, and stooges.”

    Now thats odd, why the heck did we get rid of our colonial masters more than 60 years ago ?

    If it werent for the ‘f**ing’ Indian pride Indians might have been carrying a BNO passport.

    Speaking of your low IQ, to upgrade that maybe you should stay in India to realise who’s IQ is higher or lower.

    I have been staying in China for past 16 years and consider it my second home. I wouldn’t say that a average Chinese IQ is not something 20+ point that you are gabbing about.

  24. Asian Indian says:

    The best way for India to attract foreign investments is to improve its INFRASTRUCTURE, like China did.

    If India wants to be respected focus on INFRASTRUCTURE.

  25. ajay says:

    I just came back from India and I think ut will never progress in my life time. It is a dirty, stinking country and people has a mind set of defecating and urinating in public that will not go away in out life time.

  26. Chris Devonshire-Ellis says:

    Seems a useful ongoing debate. Concerning urinating in public, it happens in China too. Just last week I saw a guy fairly openly having a pee by the side of the road, no major attempt to conceal himself, while the baby bottoms that kids wear are deliberately open to allow the kid to pee or poop wherever. However, the more wanton type of public display – such as the old woman I recall dropping her trousers to pee in the middle of Wangfujing in downtown Beijing – is mainly a thing of the past, albeit less so in the third tier cities. On this score China is marginally better, but public deafecation still happens in China.

    However, we’ve just had our Annual Meeting at which our Country Manager showed me photos of the new airport in Delhi and the new Metro system. Very impressive. In fact my comments “It looks just like China” were telling. India is getting its infrastructure in place – and it is to the same standard as China. Yes it still has some way to go, but it is getting there and it has to start somewhere. Delhi airport is an excellent case in point.

    As for “Ajay” well all I can say is if that is what you saw, next time improve your travel budget so you can afford to stay in a better class of accomodation and area. If you do “cheap” in India, just as you do in China, you’ll see the dirtier side of human life.

    Thanks for your comments – Chris

  27. Asian Indian says:

    For “Chris Devonshire”, yes India is getting there but the only problem is… at a snail’s pace!

    India needs to do major reforms to improve on building more skyscrapers – most of the Indians cities have none so far. My point is India need to learn from China, Jappan, South Korea, Malaysia etc.

  28. hiyoko says:

    India lacks infrastructure in all ways and it still does even having the same growth as China did in 2000, its still dirty and has plenty of uneducated people and isnt producing anything solid but providing cheap IT and telemarketing services. It also fails to impress countries by hosting Commonwealth games. Statistics about its growth is true but honestly Chinese prefer using the money on something where we dont see india doing. A holiday show from taiwan was shot by terrorists there, the indian government sent them to one of their finest educational hospitals and the result was the victims were infected with some super bacteria which is now spread to Japan, Taiwan and others. So if you convincing anyone Indias the go good luck.

  29. Aoshima says:

    I see many claiming that India is like China many years ago. Well for starters if your looking at numbers yes maybe close but if you actually experience it or have talked to someone who has experienced it than you get the difference. No China and India are not alike.

    We’ll take example what to expect on a street where each government hasnt intervined to force a clean up.

    China: no manners, many pitting, rude bus drivers, ugly houses but reasonably looked after in the inside, sorted waste management, bitumen roads, street lamps, powerlines, bad driving.

    India: no manners, spitting, unorganised public transport, no bitumen roads, dusty, dumps and shantys, no water, no power in certain places, no pedestrian walks, absolutely chaotic traffic, paupers naked on the street. Neighbourhood or shanty fights.

    these are simply from a look down the street not from sourced material. this is parts of Mummbai and TianJing I am comparing (impressions)

  30. Chris Devonshire-Ellis says:

    It seems some of our readers are very familiar with the squalid and destitute rather than the new and shining. Perhaps those readers should look up on occasion. – Chris

  31. Pablo Ares says:

    Nice, though it is not true. I have lived in India for the last 16 years, in Mumbai, and there is no way on earth you can make it from Colaba to Bandra in 25 minutes at a normal time, foget at rush hour. And I am talking after the sealink was opened.

    Perhaps in the night if you drive like Indians, that is, not stopping at traffic lights. In case of doubt, let me tell you I drive in India, I have taken also taxis, etc.

    Perhaps you meant between two closer points in Mumbai?

  32. Puneet says:

    I was born in the states, and just got back from my first visit to India. We have no hope. Overpopulated, filthy, disgusting beliefs and practices, and worst of all, a very high level of denial.

    The people over there do not see the problems, so how can they fix it?

    Sad to say, I’d rather live in a trailer park in the US than the billion dollar house in Mumbai, atleast no one is defecating in public within a 5 mile radius.

    Oh, and take your shots before going there, you will get sick on the first day!

  33. Chris Devonshire-Ellis says:

    @Puneet, interesting about the vaccinations, and of course you should have them. However, I’ve travelled to India countless times and only got ill once – and that was when I took a risk by drinking water from a vendor outside the Red Fort in New Delhi. If you take sensible precautions there’s no need to get ill. Plus I think we’ll take your comment about prefering a trailer park to a billion dollar house with a large pinch of Garam Masala. Thanks – Chris

  34. nero never fiddled says:

    we sure india is catching up but not quickly enough. they are still technologically 168 yrs behind china in counting. so if china was frozen for 168 yrs then india would be just as technologically advanced. indians are really nationalistic but unfortunately you indians have to come with terms that china will always be better and more developed society so if i was india i would like china to rise becuz if china was the #2 worst country in the world india would be #1 worst

  35. nero never fiddled says:

    china has the world’s largest metro system and world’s largest bridge and world’s fastest super computer and world’s only jet to be able to compete with an f 22 and the world’s largest aircraft carrier with the exception of us aircraft carriers and the beijing olympics owned the common wealth games and the hangzhou bay brind which is the world’s largest ownes the indian bridge and that house in india worth 1 billion is cheap compared to high rises in shanghai which can go multibillion. anyone can build a giant house in the middle of nowhere but one in the heart of a global economic hub for the world is hard. and regarding your diamonds they are crap cuz diamond can be made in a laboratory but indians dont have the technology to do that yet so they have to send poor slaves to mine in coal mines in hope of finding a small jem. remember this INDIA IS 168 YEARS BEHIND CHINA IN TECHNOLOGY. so if china froze it would take 168 years for india to be neck and neck but becuz china has a faster growth rate the 168 years keep getting more years. face it, india is far from being a developed nation and more poor than the poorest country in central and south america. the only place with more poverty and lack of development is africa

  36. Communist says:

    HAHAHAH….Inida or China.

    People in China are weak. They are lead by communists.

    India is a free and democratic society. That makes it better than China.

    Chinese people have no backbone to stick up to their government.

    Try implementing communism in India and see what happens.

    So yeah, India is much better. You Chinese can stick to being told what to do, what to say, and how to do it.

    I will enjoy my freedom of thought, as well as freedom of speech and religion.

    China will always be backwards given that it is run by commies!!!!

  37. saiyad mohsin says:

    hey mates i live in india…its a good enogh place to live….and i do greatly belive that all india vs china debates are useless chinese frnds here have access only access to goverment controlled internet…n highly goverment controlled news and media ….so no good argueing with they knoe nothing …they just live in an imaginary world created by their goverment…i prefer freedom….

    for example i can go on national televison ..and say …. i hate the goverment and goverment can go fu*k itself….i hate the system of my contry….and bla bla…can any friend who has lived in china tell me what happens when u say the same there….pls i wud like to knoe….

  38. I like India too. But I also like China. They are different. In terms of living quality though and ease of business about the same. – Chris

  39. robert says:

    my experience in india has been good…i work for amex in markham,ontario & was recently in the delhi campus in the suburbs. the place looks clean.

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